Healing with Nuance
Naturopath and Health Consultants Joely & Lizzie chat about the health topics that help you heal and thrive. A focus on individual needs and taking a nuanced approach.
Healing with Nuance
HWN 6 - How we cope with the change of season
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Join us for this ramble! As fall arrives we're not sleeping well, and that's due in part to excess vata (in Ayurvedic terms). We talk about our go-to sleep supplements, the only magnesium supplement we actually like, and we go on a long tangent about coffee and caffeine... and we talk about digestion AGAIN. Because it's at the root of everything.
Welcome to Healing with Nuance, where Jolie and Lizzie from JL Integrative Health. We're sharing our discussions about health and wellness, creating a library of resources for our clients and listeners.
SPEAKER_00Everything shared on this podcast is intended to be thought-provoking and educational, reflecting our questions and perspectives. Nothing we share here is meant to be any kind of diagnosis or medical advice. We encourage you to always decide what's best for you and your health, to consult experts, and most importantly, your own intuition and instinct about your body.
Season Changes, Sleep Changes
SPEAKER_02Okay, we're back after taking a an unintentional summer break. Summer was too busy. One of the things that's been coming up for us in the last couple of weeks, for me, maybe longer for you, is mine started late July. Yeah, trouble sleeping. And Jolie was saying from the beginning, it's the change of seasons, it's the increased vata energy during the change of seasons. And I wasn't really feeling that because I've always loved fall. But I think I always loved it in the past because that energy is increased and that felt good to me. But I am experiencing now some difficulty sleeping because I'm just too energized. Like I just there's too much going on in my body.
SPEAKER_00It feels almost like adrenal fatigue type of thing for me, like difficulty falling asleep, which I usually don't have.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I don't I'm not having difficulty falling asleep. I just wake up buzzed. Yeah. Buzzing.
SPEAKER_00And so typically, you know, classically in Ayurveda, we say um before summer even ends, you'll start noticing, usually in August, you'll wake up and there will be a chill in the air. Um, and it's just very slight. But once that starts happening, that's the signal to our bodies that fall is here. And so we need to really start preparing earlier. And this year I was so mad because it happened, I want to say the third week of July. The weather was very off this summer, and I remember saying, This is bullshit. It's too soon to be ready. I mean, like, just got back from summer vacation, and now it's like fall already. And I was dysregulated since like July 20th or something like that. And it's just keeps building and building and building.
SPEAKER_02So for me, it's more trouble staying asleep. For you, it's a harder time falling asleep. For me, it's that
Anxiety or Excitement? It's Glutamate!
SPEAKER_02I also I want to say like high frequency energy. Yeah, meaning fast.
SPEAKER_00It also energy could just be glutamate, like the excitatory neurotransmitters, which, like you said earlier, it can feel like anxiety, it can feel like excitement. Those really can be the same things in our brain. It's how we're experiencing it in our bodies, our minds that can be different.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I've really had that experience of when things feel uncertain, uh, it feels like anxiety. And then when things feel more secure, it's happiness. Yeah, that makes sense. But it's all excitement. It all is the excitatory neurotransmitters for sure. So let's let's first talk about, we're gonna get into sort of why that is and the seasons, but let's start by saying what would our what were our first go-tos in terms of supplements? Like what was the first thing that we would try to to try to quote fix this problem, even
GABA - a decent band aid for sleep
SPEAKER_02though it's probably not an actual problem that needs to be fixed?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I think we've been talking a lot about GABA. GABA, it's GAMBA aminobutyric acid, is the neurotransmitter that is it calms or regulates the excitatory neurotransmitters like glutamate.
SPEAKER_02So is that a situation where GABA and glutamate sort of compete? Yeah. So, and I'll just say we both have been using GABA, like it, but it doesn't fix the problem. It's not enough. It's temporary, for sure.
SPEAKER_00It's a temporary calm. Yeah, temporary, and it's usually combined with L-theanine. We'll see that often. And it worked for me very short term, and now
Coffee - a crime of wisdom!
SPEAKER_00I'm like, I need something more heavy hitting, but also I am committing a crime of wisdom by continuing to drink caffeine right now, which I really should not be doing. And I know that in every fiber of my being, I tried stopping, I did it for a couple of days, and then it's a sneaky bitch that caffeine, let me tell you.
SPEAKER_02So I stopped my black tea and that for a few days, and then then I had a cup, but it was after I had already eaten sort of midday, and that felt really good, and then it snuck earlier and earlier, and then I was just having it in the morning again, and my sleep suffered again. You're clean, I'm clean. Um, but I don't think that's not a one-for-one. It's not like, oh, if I drink caffeine, I don't sleep well, and if I don't drink caffeine, I do sleep well. It definitely is not that direct, but it is a part of the overall picture.
SPEAKER_00And we'll talk about this in our next podcast, which is um, I don't know if we have a title for it yet, but basically things that media and health influencers tell you to do that is healthy and actually isn't healthy, and coffee's always been a big part of that conversation. People will argue until they're blue in the face about caffeine is great for you and it actually the half-life technically it's not gonna affect your sleep. And it's like, okay, but if coffee is antioxidants and there are all these health benefits. And believe me, that's why I drank it this morning because it's good for me. But like the fact is, is if you're already suffering from a dregulated nervous system, we don't want to do the things that push us further in that direction. That is what a crime of wisdom is, and we will always pay for those. There's really no way around that. You reap what you sow, and so that's kind of the beauty of choice or free will. But it's also really frustrating when it's like, why can't I just do what other people seem to do with impunity?
SPEAKER_02I was just looking up to see, because I heard about this recently, and I was trying to figure out who I was talking about. The American Heart Association increased the safe allowance of coffee from I don't know, two cups a day to five, five eight-ounce cups of coffee, roughly 400 milligrams of caffeine daily is generally safe for most adults and may offer heart health benefits. Not if you're going nuts from being overcompany. And your blood pressure goes up. This is why our podcast is called Healing with Nuance. Uh Nuance People. Yeah, that was really an intense change.
SPEAKER_00I was thinking this morning about the coffee thing, and I don't know if anyone has listened to Dr. Zach Bush on Rogan. Did you ever listen to that?
SPEAKER_02I don't know if I listened to that, but I've listened to him a lot.
SPEAKER_00There's been a lot of perspectives on it. But I loved how in the beginning, you know, Joe's pushing the Black Rifle Coffee, whatever, and he says he's a Kleins, and he's like, Really? And Zach goes, Yeah, I've never been able to figure caffeine out. Like it just doesn't work with my body. And that's the bottom line. And you know what?
SPEAKER_02He his nervous system is such a model from the outside, seemingly such a model of balance. Yeah, Zach Bush. He is so contained and smooth and grounded and clear and capable of very intricate thought and complex, like holding a lot of complexity. That I aspire me too to that.
SPEAKER_00I know that I would be better off all year round without the caffeine. It's tricky though. It's life gets lifey, and then we need things to get through the day. And yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_02I do think that once you get out of the addiction, out of the habit, you don't actually need it. Like, I don't think that we suffer from a caffeine deficiency.
SPEAKER_00Definitely not. It's a slippery slope, though, once you reintegrate it.
SPEAKER_02It can, right. It can give you what you need, but I think you can find that elsewhere. And obviously, it's a lot healthier to find it from a source that's not a slippery slope.
SPEAKER_00So we were talking today about cacao. Yeah. That's a nice switch to make in the fall, which I'm gonna try. Yeah, cacao.
SPEAKER_02I love cacao, and sometimes I have it no problem. And sometimes cacao makes my heart jittery.
SPEAKER_00It's the theobromine in it. You don't think it's the caffeine? Well, I think it's both combined, but it's a very little amount of caffeine, I believe, relatively to other things. But it's yeah, the theobromine, it's uh also a vasodilator. I think that would do the opposite. It's a heart opener, though. If you think about like it's opening everything up, and then things can they don't flow the way that you're used to it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So while we're on the topic of coffee, which was not even what we planned to talk about in this podcast, but I love it. Uh, I will say it's I think it's the Chinese medicine and/or the Ayurvedic saying that when you drink coffee, you're stealing tomorrow's energy for today. Yeah, I think it's Chinese medicine. And so just to recognize that it's you're you're taking away, you're depleting your reserves in order to have that energy now.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I want to talk in the in the other podcast about um ways to make caffeine safer for your body if you do choose to to use it for its health benefits. Let's talk about it now. Why not? Oh, we should? Okay. We're already halfway into a coffee podcast. So something that Ray Pete, um, Dr. Ray Pete, I I really believe in this is basically black coffee, especially on an empty stomach, increases the stress hormones in your body. And a lot of people have been told for years, oh, we have to stay fasted, we need to just drink black coffee until noon and then eat lunch. Well, first of all, it's gonna increase this um cortisol and adrenaline in the body, which spikes blood sugar, oddly enough, which is why you need sugar in your coffee. But then also people can have a really strong histamine reaction to the pure caffeine. So I think a lot of people are probably experiencing remnants of this with their coffee intake. Um, and however you feel about it, I I do know from personal experience that my body metabolizes coffee better when I have it with milk and with some sort of sugar. The calcium in the milk helps to counteract the caffeine spike, and then also the sugar helps the liver to help to process the caffeine.
SPEAKER_02Well, that makes sense to me. Um I really like buck. I like the flav, I like to taste the coffee.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. If you're if you don't get the jittery healing from it, I think it's okay. But I think a lot of people do.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there's sometimes well, actually, I'll say that when I'm using coffee as a remedy for a headache, it doesn't make me jittery.
SPEAKER_00Because your body actually needs it medicinally in that moment, so it's not an excess.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And then also I think freshly ground beans make a difference. Definitely. The mold, especially like if you're and then I've been hearing about, but I haven't sort of clicked through to follow this, but I've been hearing people share about remineralized coffee. Definitely.
SPEAKER_00And you told me to put salt in it, which I've been doing too.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, a little salt as well. When I'm making a pour over, I'll do a little salt, a little sugar in with the coffee, and then cardamom, which makes it less acidic.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Something else I saw recently. I don't love Dr. Rhonda Patrick.
SPEAKER_02Do you know her? I don't know her.
SPEAKER_00She was talking about um basically the best way to drink coffee is to use a paper filter because the paper soaks up these different oils that are extracted in the brewing process, and those oils can contribute to like actually age-related neurodegenerative diseases, which I had never heard that that take on it before.
SPEAKER_02Hmm. That definitely warrants some more research. I want to understand that.
SPEAKER_00And then also like just thinking about all the different ways coffee is made, if it's in the curriculum, if you're getting it from Wawa, all the plastic, all the uncleaned materials that the coffee is flowing through, even like metals, if it's flowing through the stainless steel, or I think there's so many factors, like coffee is just not great for your brain, even though people will claim that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, it's so tricky. And then there's the thing where different brains need different things. And for people with ADHD, a lot of them do much better, their brains do much better when they have coffee and they have caffeine. Right. So as always, apply nuance. Um, but we got on this topic because we're talking about our difficulty sleeping in this
What's happening at this time of year?
SPEAKER_02season. And maybe let's start with just this change of season right now from summer to fall. What's happening in terms of the elements and our bodies, and what do we do to support balance?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I was gonna say I didn't know how much we talked about before, but one of the main tenets of Ayurveda is like brings like and the opposite brings balance. So essentially, you need to know what your constitution is like, um basically as a whole, and then where are you right now with your imbalances? So, what that would mean is I tend to be a Vata type person in general. So the qualities of Vata are like um airy, cool, dry. And anything that's going to contribute to those qualities is gonna bring me further out of balance. So, especially in the fall, the qualities of fall are dry, cool, windy, airy, all the things that are gonna bring people, either vata type people or anyone with a vata imbalance out of balance.
SPEAKER_02And about at least two-thirds of people are vata imbalance is like the go-so if somebody doesn't have it, if they really are they're the opposite of that, they're vata deficient.
SPEAKER_00So a coffee-type person would thrive in the fall, would thrive drinking coffee because their body tends to be heavy, moist, and damp. So anything that opposes those qualities are gonna bring them back to an optimal type state or a state of more vibrancy or liveliness, I guess you could say. So um it's important in Ayurveda that we're aware of our locale, our climate, our current state of imbalance, and then without overcomplicating it, what's around the corner, you know, what's happening in a couple weeks so we can prepare ourselves for the transition.
SPEAKER_02Because by the time we get to the point where the air is drier and cooler and windier, it's too late. It's too late to actually fix it. So, what are the if it's if it's already too late, what are the things we try to do anyway?
SPEAKER_00So, one thing that a lot of people like to do is to do a little cleanse with the change of the seasons. So when the weather starts to shift to do a kitchery cleanse or something, because the idea is we need to allow the body to adapt to even if it doesn't feel abrupt, it can be abrupt when the humidity leaves. It's cold in the in the mornings and the night. Um, so easing up on digestion can allow things to settle easier.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00Um, and then just focusing on the opposite qualities than the fall has wet foods, yeah, doing self-massage with warm oils, even before bed, just putting some warm oil between your hands, rubbing the soles of your feet and putting on warm socks. Really nice. Little bit of warm oil on the crown of your head can help a lot with sleep. And then just um, yeah, you know, avoiding raw, cold, crunchy, you know, salads, smoothies, iced drinks right now. That's really important.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so I want to back up now to say if it were midsummer and we wanted to prep for this change of seasons, what would we be doing?
SPEAKER_00So it'd be important. Are you ready? Start with warm foods. You start stop with the cold would be most important, I think. Okay. So start just with like luke, like room temperature, um, drinks. Probably best to stop, like maybe the coffee, the alcohol, the spicy foods in July, then waiting until October. Anything that's like inflammatory. Anything that's inflammatory. Um what else? Yeah, even stopping with yeah, stopping with the salads, with all that sort of thing, starting to try to calm your nervous system before it gets to the point where you're frazzled. Um, an important thing about fall is we want to increase our digestive capacity so that we can hopefully put on a little a little bit more weight or at least be more deeply nourished for when the winter comes. So we'll start to notice that in the fall, hopefully, we have a stronger appetite. We're craving more heavy foods like potatoes, root vegetables, um, more meat, perhaps, maybe more dairy if we're tolerating it. And really preparing our bodies for when it's super cold. So that when it's cold, we're not getting like hypothyroid and then getting really um just exhausted and depleted in the winter. So, but it's really easy to get carried away with this, which is what I've done in the past winter, just eating really, really heavy. And then you want to keep eating heavy until you know Easter. But in actuality, probably the end of January is when the the qualities of the climate really become more damp and wet and heavy. So then you want to stop eating something. Yeah, and you want to lean into like you'll see the first shoots of what is it, like ferns pop up and asparagus will start to pop up, greens, um, but even just leaning away from the heavy food in that late winter time and more into light,
Magnesium
SPEAKER_00lighter fair.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so actually I want to back up even further to the very beginning of our conversation. And I was saying, what are the things that we are like go-to fixes, our band-aids for this not being able to sleep? Oh, yeah. So we started with GABA. Well, I want to talk about magnesium. Oh, yeah, magnesium. So, and lemon balm. So the the herbs typically for helping you to fall asleep would be passion flower, California poppy, lemon balm, valerian root. And so you'll find herbal sleep blends that have those things.
SPEAKER_00And it's a reminder that melatonin is not uh an herbal sleep, it's not not for sleep. Let's not do that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Do you want to say more about that? Because everyone's gonna be like, what do you mean? It's a hormone. Let's just melatonin is a hormone. Do not use it lightly. Yeah, do not use it thoughtlessly. Yeah. Um, agreed. Okay, so I'll just say that I was taking GABA, it was helping a little, but not really enough. Uh, I took some lemon balm, that's very nice. Um, I did some of that Passion Flower Valerian and like everything helped a little bit. Nothing helped a ton. Um, and then last night I took some magnesium. We have here at our office, the fringe magnesium powder. Uh and I took that. I slept seven hours straight, which I have not been doing lately. I've been getting up a lot in the middle of the night. And then I had some more this morning, and I'm like I'm like high and slow. I'm very slow. And I'm just noticing the difference. And we've been a little, we've been very hesitant to recommend magnesium to anyone for quite some time, even though we know that everyone seems to be magnesium deficient and would benefit from magnesium. We had a hard time finding a magnesium that we actually liked the form of that we found was making a big difference. You were Jolie was taking magnesium baths and that was helping. Yeah. In general, we would say transdermal magnesium that you're taking in topically is going to absorb more efficiently than anything you take orally. Oral magnesium, you get maybe 20 to 40 percent of the magnesium actually gets used in your body.
SPEAKER_00Right. And I think for a long time I was so turned off by all the people saying, oh, you gotta take magnesium glycinate or you know, and it just really annoyed me, especially because all these supplement brands, um, they the way that they manufacture these uh isolates of magnesium is just kind of awful and terrible.
SPEAKER_02So we were put off by knowing about the processing and all of that. And also you had a bad uh opposite experience with magnesium glycinate.
SPEAKER_00Right. So for years I was, you know, listening to everyone, taking the magnesium glycinate, took a long break, tried it again, and I realized why am I having the opposite reaction? And I did a lot of research, and apparently, if certain certain people have a different MTHFR or COMT. Yeah, the C O M T gene. Yeah, and so with the it's the glycine. So glycine and magnesium glycinate are are related. So we'll have an opposite reaction to the glycine. Unfortunately, because glycine is one of these amazing compounds, it doesn't mean I can't get it from food, but I really can't supplement with anything like that. Right, it ends up turning into glutamate, right?
SPEAKER_02Which is that excitatory neurotransmitter.
SPEAKER_00Which no one else will tell you. They'll say, Oh, everyone needs magnesium glycinate and really irritates us.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02Um so we love the fringe. Yeah, I'm so excited. I just stopped trying magnesium for a while because I would take magnesium supplements and nothing would happen, no difference whatsoever. And I was just thought, this is I'm done with this. Um, this powder is really great. So I'm psyched about that. It feels nourishing. Yeah. And I'm doing some training in hair tissue mineral analysis now, which we're going to be offering very soon. Uh, and I'm learning so much about magnesium and just just how important it is in all of our bodily processes. So I'm very excited to have found a form that we like. Yes. Um, so herbs, magnesium, not melatonin, sometimes GABA.
SPEAKER_00Sometimes GABA. And then more so, yeah, I'm just thinking and looking
How to oppose the dryness of fall
SPEAKER_00at the qualities of the body trying to oppose the dryness. You know, like warm milk. Warm milk, the baths, uh Bianca, soups, stews, all of those sorts of things. And we want to think about um like nourishing the myelin sheath. So the thing with the fall is our nerves become almost frayed because of the lack of dry. They're dried out. Yeah. So if you think about that, like the synapse between the neurons or the cells, and everything feels kind of like frazzled. Yeah, like just electricity. Frayed. Yeah. So how do we soothe that is with oils, with uncuous things. Um, yeah, I was just thinking the other day about um, you know, dealing with some of my histamine issues right now and how when I so another component of my sleep is like having this like a mast cell histamine type reaction. And if I don't address the histamine, I'm just like like going around the root cause. It's actually really stupid for me to try to take this or that, the other thing. When the issue is the histamine in my body. So for me at night I'll I'll have almost like heart palpitations, and I know it's like an adrenaline or histamine thing. And but unless I'm addressing that, anything that I do is just kind of kind of mask that um the adrenaline in my body. So it's always asking us to just go deeper and go back to the to the root cause, continued liver support, thyroid support, and really taking care of myself and not trying to hack anything.
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah,
Our bodies are wise!
SPEAKER_02it gets so tricky. Everything's about finding a hack, finding a fix. And we have to remember how wise our bodies are and that they're not doing something wrong. They're doing something right. And if it's yeah, resulting in a symptom, that is evidence of a deeper issue. And sometimes we need the band-aids, we need the hacks to help us get through, but we are always searching for how to find the deepest balance at the deepest level. Yeah, and we're not gonna trick our bodies. So even the magnesium supplementation feels better to me than taking an herb to try to calm my body because my body is actually deficient in magnesium. And so I'm giving the magnesium to my body. I think I haven't done my HDMA yet. As soon as I do, maybe we'll share what's going on. But um uh from everything I'm learning, I would say I probably am quite deficient in magnesium and that most people have some magnesium deficiency. And some of that is because of the quality of our soil these days. Um, we're just not getting all the minerals that we want to be getting. Right. The other seasonal change that is coming up in my mind is I know that in order to not get seasonal allergies in the spring, I have to really uh take care of my body in the winter. And specifically, I find that having nettle tincture throughout the winter results in much less seasonal allergies for me in the spring. What are the Ayurvedic concepts around that, like contributing to not getting the seasonal
Optimize digestion NOW to avoid seasonal allergies in Spring
SPEAKER_02allergies in the spring? I feel like there are things, no?
SPEAKER_00Um, I think the only thing that's coming to me is like keeping digestion optimized. Um, so listening to your body, listening to the weather. Uh, it always baffles me when it's freezing and I see people at the smoothie place. Like, how?
SPEAKER_02I know. I know. How? Okay, so let's let's let's close out this podcast by talking about why we don't want to be. We've talked about it before, but let's just say it again. Why don't we want to be having cold smoothies? Why?
SPEAKER_00Um so off the cuff, let's just talk about our digestion, our gastrointestinal tract. Our stomach has to have lots of acid and enzymes in order to digest our food properly. So when we are putting something cold and damp and moist into our stomach, our digestive capacity goes down. We need things to be hot, almost like a, we want to think of our stomach like a furnace. And so let's say that we have some symptoms of digestive distress, which a lot of people have. Um, we have to think of our digestion like a flame. And so we want to coax our flame to grow big and strong and bright so that we can put anything on top and it will eat it up and transmute it, and there won't be any negative effects of that. So we don't kindle a flame by putting a wet log on top. You know, we kindle it with kindling and tiny twigs and coaxing and almost like dancing with it. And it's a very interactive, um, it requires us, unfortunately, to like go deep and listen to our bodies and not what our minds want to eat or what we're used to doing. Every day needs to be a new experience engaging with our bodies, which can be hard.
SPEAKER_02I feel like I've got gotten so much more conscious about this since we've been talking about it. You're so much better. I just am much more aware of my digestive capacity, I would say, than I used to be. And I do have pretty strong digestion, as we've said. So um maybe it's not as high stakes for me in the moment as it would be for somebody else. But yeah, I really can feel what my body has the capacity to digest. And I'll say that maybe before I also knew that. And I just wasn't naming it as that, but I've always been a pretty intuitive eater. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, I I definitely think so. I've just noticed recently you'll say, I'm not hungry,
Different types of hunger
SPEAKER_00I'm not gonna eat quite yet. And I really admire that. I've I've actually not been doing such a good job with that myself. And so the reason that we really want to listen to our bodies is because if we don't feel that hunger, it means our stomach is not ready for food. And now you and I have also talked before, there's almost like two kind two kinds of states of being ready to eat. It's like, you know what, I I know I could eat, I don't feel hungry, but I know my body can handle it. Or, oh, I'm I'm starving. I can feel like I have pangs in my stomach and I'm ready to eat. But there's also another state where we don't want to eat, which is, oh, um, you know, I don't really feel like eating. And when we eat anyway, that's a crime of wisdom.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00And I think a lot of people do that without even knowing it. So maybe this will, like you said, bring it to light a little bit.
SPEAKER_02So I'll say that what we see and hear most often with our clients uh who are eating when they're not hungry in that third way, that crime of wisdom way, is uh that it's about routine and convenience. So we really do understand if you have to go be at work at a certain time and then not eat for some hours, and then you have a lunchtime, and then you can't eat, and then you are home. That is you're doing the best you can by trying to give yourself fuel at the times when you're able to eat, and totally understandable. And yet, the best case scenario is that you only eat when your body has the capacity to digest. So not stuffing breakfast down just because this is your chance to eat, maybe preparing a little something light. Um, sometimes I find if I'm really not hungry in the morning and I'm on my way to work, I actually make a little bowl of oatmeal and I bring it with me in the car. And I just, because I'm not hungry when I'm running around getting things done at the house. But then when I sit in the car and actually my body relaxes a little bit, then all of a sudden I am hungry.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And so having a little something that I can eat at that time, because if I don't eat at that time, then I am in trouble if I'm not eating for another few hours.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And one another good thing to do would be just eat some fruit in the morning. Yeah. Even if you're not hungry, fruit is very easy to digest and it's going to stimulate your digestion, hopefully get you hungry for your next meal.
SPEAKER_02Right. So if that were me, the fruit would actually make me so hungry that then I would need to eat something. I couldn't wait for hours.
SPEAKER_00Right. Everyone's different. Yeah. I will say the other thing that we see often, like you said, it's routine and convenience. And a lot of people, they um, yeah, they want to eat with their spouses at a certain point. Expectation. And at a certain point, I think we need to take responsibility. Well, we definitely do, but like with saying to our spouse or significant other, um, I'm not hungry right now, I'm not gonna eat. Take care of yourself or organize your day and optimize your digestion so that you can eat at that time. But I'm tired of the just, oh, well, you know, I'm gonna eat whatever for lunch, and then I'm not hungry by dinner, but I have to eat at dinner. Like, no, there's things that we can do.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, absolutely taking responsibility. And I loved what you said about if if that time having dinner with your spouse, that's your connection time and it's important to you, and it's something that you really take joy in in enjoying your food together, then structure the rest of your day so that you're optimized to be able to do that well.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_02Um, because that is lovely and and special and wonderful. Um, but we want everyone to have the tools that they need to be able to optimize as best they can. Because when we have imperfect or faulty or compromised digestion, everything else in our body suffers. That's the problem. It's not just about trying to be perfect at digesting or perfect at your meals. It's it's a really core part of our body system that impacts everything else.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. So in Ayurveda, it's called AMA. When you're not digesting well, it's basically a waste product. And what that looks like is um usually like a mucus or phlegm or some sort of accumulation somewhere in the body. And so there's four different stages of disease. It all starts with poor digestion, though. Everything stems from there, and then the longer we go, the more different organs and different body systems are affected. And by the time someone gets to the fourth stage, it gets really difficult to reverse some of those things.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's key.
SPEAKER_00I feel like I got really upset about the people like not taking responsibility for that.
SPEAKER_02We get well, let's talk about that. We do get sometimes frustrated. We try not to get frustrated in front of I get it. I think you know, we try to always, when somebody is in our office, to have compassion for their situation, always. But when you hear people over and over and over again not taking responsibility for doing the things that they know would help them, we do get frustrated. So this is a place where we can air that out.
SPEAKER_00Well, and it's a level of I recognize it in you and our client because I've been there, and I can also do it still. It's a victim mentality, poor me, you know. And I'm trying to awaken from that, but I definitely get a little bit, you know.
SPEAKER_02We all do, yeah. Um, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00And I think that's why we'll talk about this more later, but you know, there's a certain kind of client that we really like to work with, and hopefully it's someone that's ready to um go deeper and make some changes.
SPEAKER_02We get very excited when somebody walks into our office who is ready to take responsibility and collaborate and really do their part because we cannot fix your body for you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02We are here to support you, to help you, to guide you, to give you information and education and possibilities to consider. But you are the master of your own body, and we are there to help you do as good a job as possible taking care of yourself.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and for too long, I think I worked at a place where um people, it was a natural pathic alternative office, but I think a lot of people came in with a Western medicine mindset of give me things that I can take that will fix me. And I think time and time again, I saw false promises, false hope, and people leave and realize, oh wow, I just spent so much money and this is not gonna fix me. And I've even done that myself. Well, I think that's really important.
SPEAKER_02We all do it. We started this conversation by saying, okay, we know that the actual problem is an imbalance and the change of seasons aggravating that. What are the band-aids that we jump to to try and fix the problem? Um we all want to find that one thing that is going to make the problems go away. And it's just not an effective model. Um it is effective maybe for acute things, but not chronic things, not systemic things. So we are always looking for more answers, deeper truth, and uh better balance. All right, we got we got a phone call coming in, we got all distracted, but um we all look for the thing that's gonna fix us. It's human nature, but we really want to be doing a better job than that. We want in the wellness space, we want to be people who are doing a better job than that. Um all right, so that's it for today's conversation, and we can't wait to come back and talk some more. Conspiracy theories.
SPEAKER_01We're not calling it that.
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