Healing with Nuance
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Healing with Nuance
HWN 5 - Our takes on fad diets
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Our raw thoughts on keto, carnivore, vegetarian, fodmaps, histmaine, and ray peat diets.
Welcome to Healing with Nuance, where Jolie and Lizzie from JL Integrative Health. We're sharing our discussions about health and wellness, creating a library of resources for our clients and listeners.
SPEAKER_00Everything shared on this podcast is intended to be thought-provoking and educational, reflecting our questions and perspectives. Nothing we share here is meant to be any kind of diagnosis or medical advice. We encourage you to always decide what's best for you and your health, to consult experts, and most importantly, your own intuition and instinct about your body. Yeah, it's just feeling really relevant right now. And different diets can be good for different people at different times. And it's important to know when those times might
Keto Diet
SPEAKER_00be. Well, let's start keto.
SPEAKER_03Keto diet, ketogenic diet. Earlier version of this was the Atkins diet. So the idea is it's high fat, high protein.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Like really high fat. And my so my first thoughts gallbladder. Okay. Most people's gallbladders are under functioning, um, which we're learning a lot about why that might be. Typically, I think we're leaning now towards liver inflammation, stagnation. The gallbladder just doesn't have an environment to function the way that it needs to. Right. So let's so the gallbladder is nestled in the back of the of the liver. That's that's how the liver affects it.
SPEAKER_03And I want to back it up to we are living in a time of a huge onslaught of toxins that our body has to filter all the time. And the primary filtering organ for that kind of thing is the liver. So if the liver is not, if the liver is overburdened or if it's not functioning properly, that's gonna impact gallbladder function. Gallbladder is how we process our fats. And so if we are eating a lot of fats and we have suboptimal gallbladder function, we're gonna have some problems. Probably it's gonna be accumulation of fat around the organs, which is known as visceral fat, and is really hard to get rid of if you're not actively targeting it. Maybe I jumped ahead. That's okay.
SPEAKER_00Here we are keto, keto diet. So in order to do the keto diet well, your gallbladder and liver need to be in great shape, and you need to have a good amount of stomach acid to digest all that protein and enzymes and pancreatic enzymes. Everything in the digestive system has to be working well in order to do it.
SPEAKER_03So And so that makes me think just another piece of that is having good meal practice, meaning sitting down, slowing down, eating your meals. You can't be running around eating on the go, um, not taking the time to enjoy, smell, taste, chew your food, uh, and expect your digestion to work properly.
SPEAKER_00Right. And we said we would do pros and cons of it. So a keto is usually done what for like blood sugar type issues, dysglycemia, I would imagine. What else is it done for? Well, also for um ketones.
SPEAKER_03So for for reducing this. So interestingly enough, I'm like, oh, you're gonna get visceral fat. How do you get rid of visceral fat? Having ketones.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So everything does have its positives and negatives. We just need to make sure if you're going to choose a certain diet that your body can handle what that entails.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so now I just feel like I need to back that up a little bit. So the keto diet, people do actually for fat burning, even though it's high fat. And the reason is that if we are just if we're not eating carbs or sugar, so it's not only high protein, high fat, it's also basically no carbs and sugar. Right, right. Yeah, look that up, make sure I got that right. Okay. No, you're right. You're absolutely right. So the idea is that we're always, if we're only eating fat and protein, the idea is that we're always in ketosis.
SPEAKER_00Is that good to always be in ketosis?
SPEAKER_03No. That is the that's the issue that people have with the keto diet, is that actually it's not natural for your body to always be in ketosis. The ideal scenario is we want to be able to get into ketosis easily and to maintain it for some amount of time. And then we want to come out of it, we want to get back into it and maintain it for some amount of time. So we've been playing with this a little bit in terms of either fast, yeah, fasting until we reach a little bit of ketosis and then eating in a way that promotes the continuation of ketosis.
SPEAKER_00For a period of time that feels right. A few days max. Mine was a few hours. Yeah. I was done.
SPEAKER_03Perfect. Give me that pizza. And you had a really actually impactful experience. It was amazing. Even with just a few hours of ketosis. Changed my life. So one of the big problems we see is that not only are we so addicted to eating all the time, but we because we're eating all the time, our body doesn't even remember or do that really natural process of producing ketones. And when we're producing ketones, when we are in ketosis, our body is using fat for energy. And it's going to use the fat that you stored the most recently, I think. Yeah. When if if you are somebody who has accumulated fat over a period of time and you say, Oh, well, I it's been 10 years since I had this part of my body got fat on it or puffed up or however that looks or feels for you, that fat has been sitting there and what accumulating toxins and storing. Especially hormones are stored in the fat. So allowing ourselves to go into ketosis on a regular basis is a really healthy detox process for the body, but we don't want to be detoxing all the time. No, definitely not. That's not a balanced approach to the body. Right.
unknownAll right.
SPEAKER_03So keto, did we say some pros, some cons? I think we did. Pros being really good for burning fat.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and for regulating blood sugar.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I think it's great for that too. If anyone has dysglycemia, I don't, I don't know that it will fix it being in going into ketosis, but um it can help. It can help manage it.
SPEAKER_03Well, I think what I think of there is that if you're not feeding your body carbs and sugars, you're not getting those blood sugar spikes, which is what trains that insulin resistance, right? All that if you're constantly spiking your blood sugar, then you're you begin to have insulin resistance. Is that right? Right. So if you are eating protein and fat, you're not spiking your blood sugar. And you should have a healthy insulin response because there's no spike for it to respond to.
SPEAKER_00Right. Okay. So we've talked a little bit about the fasting. Let's let's just finish that up here with saying that when I had this experience this week, so instead of me usually eating for 16 hours and not eating for eight, I ate for six and fasted for 18 hours. And I'm telling you, my body transformed within one day of doing this. And it makes me think of a client that we just had where we saw issues with the gallbladder and the pancreas. And when we can stop putting food in our digestive systems, our organs, our stomach, our digestive tract can actually heal. Inflammation goes down, starts to repair itself. And that's a benefit of you know, of keto fasting, whatever you want to say. That's how we really fix dysglycemia is we lessen the input and our pancreas can hopefully fix
Carnivore Diet
SPEAKER_00itself. Yeah. So we can go to carnivore. Carnivore is very similar to keto. Um, obviously, it's eating meat and eggs. A lot of people will also put in like honey and fruit now, too. I'll see there, they have their wooden boards with the sliced steak, the fried eggs, avocado, and berries. And my first thought is, you better not be eating that for breakfast. That's an awful idea. And then my second thought is I like I like Joe Rogan, but like I don't think I don't want more people looking like him in this world. Normally, he started kind of just looking kind of leathery and like you know, I think most people that do the carnivore diet, they have this um low, like low frequency, leathery, um not vibrant look to them.
SPEAKER_03That's so interesting. So a couple things to just put out there. Number one, we do like eating meat. So we're I love meat. We're not anti-meat. Um, but the frequency is of a dead of death. It's dead. It's it's dead food. Yeah. So there's value to it, but frequency-wise, it's pretty low. Um and it's so interesting because as soon as you said low frequency, I was like, uh-oh, are we calling Joe Rogan low frequency? And is that a bad thing? I'm I'm processing in real time. He's not a low frequency person, he's not a person who's like full of negativity or anything like that. I listen to him, yeah. I really enjoy his perspective and his clarity and his questions and all of that. So I don't think he's a low vibe person. But when you said that and I pictured him, I was like, oh, it is low frequency, but maybe what I mean by that is dense, it is earth dense.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, not dense as in your like dad dumb. Yeah, like a dense nature stature. I did once see someone say that it looked like his, he's actually starting to turn, like look like an animal.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so yes. You know what I mean? Yes, okay. So let's let's take this a little further. So somebody who's eating carnivore, right, may yes, start to look like an animal, like a primal earth animal. Yes. Somebody who's eating only leafy greens or only fruits is gonna start to have that wisp aerial. Yes. So what we're talking about here is dense earth frequency and we need both. We do need both ideally at the same time.
SPEAKER_00But sometimes sometimes a carnivore diet will lower zonulin in the gut. It will fix inflammation, it will fix leaky gut, but it's really hard on the colon, you know, really hard on digestion in general. A lot of people get constipated.
SPEAKER_03Yep, that happened. That happened to me. I tried to increase my protein intake and that did not go so well. And one part of that is that if you increase it too quickly, your body doesn't have the enzymes built up to process and digest all that meat. So if you are gonna increase, if you're gonna go carnivore or go keto, you do need to do it gradually in order for your body to have and develop what it needs in order to process and digest that.
SPEAKER_00Maybe a good time to do a digested enzyme with retain HCL. Um and so positives of carnivore diet. Yeah, we did the positives, and there's negatives, of
Vegetarian Diet
SPEAKER_00course. And then we can go into the positives and negatives of a vegetarian diet. I I tend to lean more towards you know, carnivore in this day and age. I need red meat, I need um chicken thighs, I need shrimp in order to feel good in my body, but I also really feel like I need vegetables. I love the colors, the vibrancy, the high vibe, um, the fiber, the vitamin C, the vitamin E. Those are the three things you can't get from a strictly carnivore diet.
SPEAKER_03I also feel like um because I don't I don't do a lot of dairy, vegetables are the way I'm gonna get my calcium too. Right. Through which ones? Which which veggies? Leafy, dark leafy greens. Like I like um Swiss chard, collard greens, spinach. I'm not really a kale fan. Um yeah. And then also magnesium, too. We get there. And magnesium is one of those things we really do want to get from our food. I don't want to have to supplement with magnesium. Um, we don't absorb it that well, and some of the sourcing is really not ideal.
SPEAKER_00Well, and a lot of people will say, Oh, but our soil is so depleted now, and our vegetables don't have the levels that they used to. And that's true, but it doesn't feel very like relevant for me for some reason.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, I feel fine with the quality of the vegetables that I get.
SPEAKER_03Me too. Now, we are definitely in a good position where we have access to good organically grown vegetables, locally grown vegetables, and some people might not. And that's always a question for me about okay, we are probably talking mostly to people who have the access that we have, but for people farmers' markets are ideal. Yeah, and but for people who don't, who really don't have access to that kind of food that you know is free from like glyphosate and stuff like that, you know what? Supplementation is really helpful in that case. So, what are you gonna do?
SPEAKER_00What are you gonna do? Um, vegetarian diet's very high vibe, not as grounding. So, meat is very grounding. That lower frequency is um what calms down a frayed, scattered nervous system and what heals you when you're sick. But I will say I was completely vegetarian for a year when I was living in Hawaii studying Ayurveda, and it was the healthiest best I ever felt. But because it was paired with hours a day of prayer and like contemplation meditation, we need to get that grounding and centeredness from someplace else.
SPEAKER_03Interesting. Okay, so you were vegetarian for a year, and during that year you were also spending a lot of time in prayer meditation and living away from electricity.
SPEAKER_00Right. So it was the ideal situation for a nervous system to heal. I would not do it here. I don't think I would thrive.
SPEAKER_03Because you need that grounding force to help you be compatible with this environment.
SPEAKER_00I think so, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I also have definitely had vegetarian times, vegan times. My cousin always teases me, like, are you a vegan? I'm like, that was like six months, 10 years ago. Um, but everyone remembers because you tell everyone. You get very on your high horse. Um, so I've definitely done that. And yeah, it is, it feels high vibe, high frequency. You're not eating, you're not consuming death.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03And there's something to that. But yeah, it can be, it's not a grounding force. Um, so different ways of eating for different times and different needs. That's the ideal scenario is you understand how the foods that you're eating impact your system so that you can choose what to eat when. It's not about choosing the perfect diet that will never change. It's about being able to respond in a moment to what your body needs.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_03Any time I spend too not too much, but an extended or immersive time uh without checking in. Well, I was gonna say like prayer meditation, um, doing energy healing, like any of that. If I'm doing that for hours on end, I need like meat after, like I have to re-ground myself. Um, but even just like putting my feet on the earth, that's one aspect of it. But I need I need more grounding than that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, sometimes we need to bring our frequency down. Yeah, we're not meant to exist just up there all the time. Yeah, well, there's also the last thing I'll say about that is there's a difference between doing vegetarian or vegan in the a good way and then in an unhealthy way. So consuming like soy milk and tofu, like to excess, can cause its own imbalances.
SPEAKER_03And again, well, so like there's some cultures, right, in which tofu is a completely life-giving, healthy food. But if I'm getting tofu, well, if I'm at a restaurant and there's tofu, I'm just whatever, I'm dealing with it. If I'm buying tofu for any reason, it's organic. Right. Um, but what I'm more concerned about is the fake meats that are made with wheat gluten or right. So if if your food's being made in a lab or from lab or lab-made ingredients, um, that's not the that's not the best way to do that kind of diet. Um, whole foods in any in any diet, whole foods is the best way. Does that mean you're gonna have whole foods all the time? No, we have convenience, convenient access to other foods, and we're gonna supplement with those sometimes. But yeah, we ideally whole foods.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think a lot of people when they go vegetarian vegan, though, they they do fall into the processed food trap because they don't know what else to do. And I think it can really lead to deficiencies.
SPEAKER_03Right. And this is like wanting to just sub in, sub out. So, like if you, for example, actually stopping gluten is a really good example of this, or stopping meat, right? Where you're like, oh, well, I used to have chicken nuggets, but I still want chicken nuggets, but I'm not eating chicken, so I'll just get these fake chicken nuggets. And I've done that too. Me too. Like all of my junior, senior year of high school. Um I wonder if that caused any problems. Um adds up in my timeline. Right, me too. Um so right. It's the question of are you just subbing in a different sort of toxic configuration, or are you actually making a change to the way that you're eating, consuming food?
SPEAKER_00Right. And the right way to do a vegetarian diet would be cycling in different lentils, different grains, different vegetables, different fruits to get the variety that you need, soaking everything appropriately, cooking everything appropriately. And that's just really not feasible for most people.
SPEAKER_03It's a lot of work. And unless you really prioritize it, it's very taxing to do. Um and when I say prioritize it, I mean unless you really want to prioritize it. I'm not saying everybody should. I'm saying like it takes a lot out of you. So unless you're enthusiastic about it, it feels like a lot of work. It does.
SPEAKER_00So oh well. So
Low Histamine Diet
SPEAKER_00with that being said, I want to move on to histamine, actually. Because you know what I was thinking, Lizzie, you know how like we are always at odds on this because I always avoid leftovers. And I think actually I've been doing that intuitively because they're so high in histamine, and I'm kind of uncovering in myself this undiagnosed or unlike misunderstood mass cell issue that I have going on, and I don't feel well when I eat leftovers personally.
SPEAKER_03I love leftovers, I'm so grateful for leftovers, they don't bother me. I'm so grateful to be able to cook ahead. And that's the kind of thing where, like, you know, that doesn't work for you. So you take joy and pleasure in preparing your meals as needed, and that's amazing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And I am just like, if somebody doesn't need to skip leftovers, I don't want to tell them to skip leftovers because it's so helpful for being able to actually make your food.
SPEAKER_00I agree. Um, so a lot of people these days have histamine overload, histamine issues. Histamine is actually a neurotransmitter that primarily resides in the digestive tract. So it can cause a myriad of symptoms.
SPEAKER_03Um, anything you think of as an allergic reaction.
SPEAKER_00And anything really can be tracked down to histamine and the GI tract. So if someone has a histamine intolerance, which we would figure out through different ways of testing or scanning, and also just conversation, symptoms, yeah. Um, we'll tell them to try a low histamine diet, which would include um aged and fermented cheeses, anything fermented, period. Would be no. Would be a no. Yeah. Probiotics as well, usually are very bad for people with a histamine intolerance. Um, spinach tomatoes, and eggplant are classically high in histamine. Strawberries, citrus fruits, pineapple, and bananas. Then also cured and smoked meats and canned and preserved fish, as well as obviously. Wine and beer, things like that.
SPEAKER_03So all of those would be classified as high histamine foods, and you would be avoiding if you were following a low histamine diet.
SPEAKER_00Right. And the pros are if you truly have a histamine sensitivity and you avoid it, then your your histamine bucket is not getting overflowed, or it's not overflowing, and you will likely not have the symptoms that you had, like usually allergic type symptoms, eczema, rashes, allergies of any kind of asthma.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, asthma. So this is not a that's not a cure for a histamine issue, but what it does is reduces the overload and stabilizes your histamine response in your body enough for you to actually be able to deal with the underlying issue, right? Which could be really complex. And for most people it is, especially if you're talking about something like mast cell activation syndrome, which is really it's a complex chronic long-term multidimensional issue, right? And um, but it's really hard to do anything that will even make a difference in that kind of chronic issue if you're constantly putting out the fires of histamine reactions. So following a low histamine diet is a way to try to stabilize your histamine response in the body so that you can actually get down to what's going to make a difference long term.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I will say that it's it's the list is also for some reason not conclusive or set in stone. We have a lot of people who we know have histamine intolerances and they don't react to some of the foods high in histamine, and then they do react to other foods. So as always, it's a you know, test it out yourself and see how it feels for you type of situation. And I do know a lot of people find the low histamine diet to be very limiting, they're usually, for whatever reason, very cranky. People are cranky about that diet.
SPEAKER_03And this is, I think we've talked about this before um with gluten, but it's the kind of thing where if you really need to do it, it's worth it to figure it out.
SPEAKER_00Well,
Our body craves what isn't good for us?
SPEAKER_00exactly. And there's also this phenomenon in the body where we crave that which is harming us. Really? Well, okay, we our body is craving it for whatever reason because it hasn't like detoxed from it or something. Okay. So it's not a true craving, it's it's the body needing it's like, yeah, it's I should have researched this, but it just came into my mind.
SPEAKER_03No, I know. You said it before, and I didn't understand it then either. So I'm I'm speaking up now.
SPEAKER_00It reminds me of like, so say someone has an issue with a substance, let's say alcohol, and as the alcohol leaves the body, your body wants to maintain that level that it was at. So you want more. I don't know the name for that phenomenon.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so it's more about the detox process than it's not just like a regular thing that we crave things that aren't.
SPEAKER_00I know I think it's definitely part of the detox process. So maybe it goes down to meth goes back to methylation. Maybe. Probably. Um,
FODMAP Diet
SPEAKER_00the other one we can go to now is the FODMAP diet. So people will often do the FODMAP diet when they're struggling with SIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. And I always forget what FOD FODMAP stands for. It's fermentable oligosaccharides, disaccharides, monosaccharides, and polyols. And this one's a really limiting diet, right? And people are not happy on this one. And I say fifty, I see that 50% of the time it helps, and 50% of the time it does not help SIBO at all. So maybe in that case it's not SIBO, it's SIFO or SIMO, which is small intestinal methane overgrowth. And faux is fungal overgrowth. Fungal, yeah. And so these foods, I always think of it as like the cruciferous ones or the big ones, you know, like broccoli, cauliflower. And so that's sulfates too. Yeah, sulfates too. So the person could have sulfur, rather. A sensitivity to that, onions and garlic, mushrooms, asparagus, all dairy, um, most fruits, most grains, most legumes. So what are they eating?
SPEAKER_02They're eating what are they eating on this diet?
SPEAKER_00Proteins, um, carrots, cucumbers, green beans, spinach, and potatoes, berries and citrus, and dairy alternatives. They can also do rice, oats, and quinoa.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so pretty limiting, but short term, it's doable.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I tried it myself, though, it didn't make any difference for SIBO. For SIBO, so who knows? Okay. Something to try though. It's kind of like the first the first thing you try if you suspect SIBO. And then if it doesn't work, then you're like, at least I tried that. Okay. Um yeah, no real downsides, except it's so limiting.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Okay, not much of that.
SPEAKER_03Well, and I guess I just wonder in terms of downsides, like, are there any primary minerals or nutrients that you're missing in that diet when you lose that variety?
SPEAKER_00Well, and that's that's the thing with all of these diets is we're trying to correct something through the food that we're eating, but is there an underlying biofilm or something that's that's causing it that none of these diets are going to hit?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, probably. Probably we're gonna have to have another another episode all about sort of the biofilms and yeah, what to do about those.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I guess we just go back to getting all the organs functioning. Right, that's a great place to start. Yep. Um, the
Ray Peat Diet
SPEAKER_00other one we wanted to talk about is the Pete diet. Dr. Ray Pete. I just rolled my eyes. I am super into Dr. Pete right now. Lizzie's less so. You're interested, but like I'm definitely interested.
SPEAKER_03I I think I have that reaction when people get so like not militant, but like, you know, like everybody gets kind of swept up and they're like, oh, Ray Pete, Ray Pete. Everyone's swept up right now. I'm like, I'm gonna maintain my, I'm gonna maintain my distance and try to observe and learn. Um, I'm not gonna get swept up. And yeah, anytime something feels so like a big fad, or people think it's like the be-all end-all or the cure-all to panacea, like I my antenna go up.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's interesting because at first I was like, oh, this guy. But then I was like, wait, this goes in the face of everything I've ever thought and learned about health and eating, and there's legitimate scientific research to back it up. And so at this point, I'm just like, wow, let me see how much I can challenge myself and like to humble myself as to I don't really know anything. There's people who feel so good doing this diet, and to me, it still is kind of mind-boggling because the diet is very high carb and low fat. Now, I was researching it recently, and it all comes down to the Randall cycle.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_00Are you familiar with this? I was not at all, but it's all Peter's talk about is the Randall cycle. So this is different. So usually with digestion, we'll say the stomach does not digest starches and protein well. The Randall cycle at the same time. Yeah, that's what I meant to say. At the same time, the Randall cycle says that cells actually don't know what to do when starches and fats are consumed at the same time. Because the cells actually some prefer fat and some prefer sugar, and when they're consumed at the same time, certain cells just like skipped out.
SPEAKER_03Why wouldn't the cells that want fat take the fat and the cells that want sugar take the sugar? Why do they get confused?
SPEAKER_00Other cells, I don't know. No, I so I have a very vata brain. I don't really remember things that like I just learned. Yeah, but it's um it's really interesting. It's like skeletal muscle cells can switch back and forth, but a lot of cells can't switch. And when you consume both of them, it's something like um, so let's go back to apparently if someone's healthy, they shouldn't have to limit if they're consuming fats and carbs at the same time. If someone wants to lose weight, though, people on the peat diet do really great, apparently, with high carb and very low fat. It kind of makes sense in a way, because if you want to lose fat, maybe we don't want to consume as much. And the high carbs are getting the thyroid going and they're getting metabolism going, they're getting that cellular metabolism going with the quick glucose. It's gonna be an issue though, if someone has blood sugar, just like dysglycemia.
SPEAKER_03Definitely, but also given what we know about the ketones, if you're trying to lose weight that is stored fat, that's only going to work if there's a period of time where you're in ketosis, which is only gonna happen if you're only eating, let's say you're only eating carbs. That's only gonna happen if you're fasting from carbs. It's not gonna happen while you're eating carbs.
SPEAKER_00I think that Ray Pete would argue with you. Tell me. I just think I just think that he would if he were still alive. So Ray Pete lived a full and healthy life. Um he has a really interesting perspective on female hormones and digestion. The foods that are encouraged are fresh fruits, fruit juices, honey, and table sugar. And they say to avoid complex starches like whole grains, beans, and pasta.
SPEAKER_03Um, I did when I was listening to the Saluiverse ladies talk about Ray Pete, they were saying he's not saying table sugar is good, he's saying it's a reasonable way to get quick glucose. Yeah, absolutely. That other natural forms of sugar, like fruits, are better. They're better, but that table sugar is not the enemy.
SPEAKER_00He was, yeah, he was all about supporting the thyroid. And if our thyroid is healthy, he believed that everything else in the body would function optimally. So obviously, this doesn't work for everyone. If someone has SIBO, we don't want them going hard on the carbs and dairy. That's something else that he really promotes is I don't like this part, the low-fat dairy. Don't like that. Um, but he also sees um pufas as really um antagonizing to the body's system.
SPEAKER_03Polyunsaturated fatty acids.
SPEAKER_00Yep, and calcium as very protective. So a lot of people that are peating, you know, they're gonna drink orange juice and low-fat milk all day, and they're gonna eat oysters and lots of fruit and liver, and that's that's a peter right there.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna read this um about Ray Pete. Ray Pete earned a PhD in biology from the University of Oregon with specializations in physiology and endocrine physiology. Schools he taught at include the University of Oregon, Urbana College, Montana State University, National College of Naturopathic Medicine, and Blake College. His work began with progesterone and related hormones in 1968 in papers in psychological chemistry and physics. And in his dissertation, he outlined ideas regarding progesterone and the hormones closely related to it as protectors of the body's structure and energy against the harmful effects of estrogen, radiation, stress, and lack of oxygen.
SPEAKER_00I'm about that. Yeah, we love progesterone. I think he was one of the early pioneers of that. So yeah, I'm just fascinated by all of this because it's so different from everything I ever thought.
SPEAKER_03So I guess here's where I am with the ray peat stuff. Um, I think it's really interesting. I really like learning about the different kinds of fuel for ourselves. Um and I am definitely not in full agreement with all of the things. But there are pieces that are really interesting and helpful for compiling our own full spectrum understanding of what works in our body.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. So what I love is that his whole philosophy was that we need to lower our stress hormones. And from his perspective, sugar, any form of sugar, lowers our stress, the stress response. We're immediately calm. The thyroid is calm, essentially. From his, yeah, I guess biochemically. Now, kids don't always have that response to sugar.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, there's so much there. We're gonna have to pick it up another time, I think. We have to stop now. So interesting. Yeah, I want we should do another. Let's do a little research and do some more rape talk because I think it's really interesting.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm I'm fascinated by it. I'm not I'm not fully bought in, but it's something that I just keep coming back to.
SPEAKER_03And you test out different aspects of it and find that some really work for you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I definitely would never go full blown. I think that would be a mess for my gut.
SPEAKER_03Another uh reason to apply nuance always to the situation. All right, just a little bit of some hot takes on some fatty diets, F A D fad diet. Um, thanks so much.
SPEAKER_00See you soon. Bye.
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